Google: Links Cannot Currently Hurt Rankings
I have just returned from the increasingly popular Brighton SEO conference, where unsurprisingly the hot topic was Google’s recent clamp down on link spam.
The opening feature of the day was a Q & A session with an impressive panel of influential people within the search industry. The line up, amongst others, included Microsoft’s UK Director of Search Dave Coplin and Google Webmaster Trends Analyst Pierre Far.
Link Spam:
The topic of discussion was very quickly brought round to that of Google’s recent clampdown on link spam. So hot was the debate that I think it could have gone on for most of the day.
Google’s stance is that they are giving webmasters the chance to come clean about links. To clean up their link profiles and show evidence that they have done everything in their power to get any links they know to be harmful removed from their link profile. This can include things like screen shots of emails to webmasters asking them to remove links.
This then may imply, that contrary to Google’s previous stance that site A cannot harm site B i.e. build a load of dodgy links to your competitors site, that bad links may now carry negative weight instead of just being devalued. After all, why go to all the trouble to give webmasters the chance to resubmit their sites for consideration, if at worst these links just carried zero weight?
Nobody raised this question during the discussion, but I was lucky enough to get 5 minutes with Google’s Pierre Far later on in the day, so put that question to him.
Pierre said (with cheeky smile on his face):
That it was still Google’s stance that links do not currently carry any negative weight or penalties, so at worst a link would be worth nothing.
He did however say with a bigger smile: never say never.
This response suggests that Google’s motive behind giving webmasters the opportunity to come clean is purely to help them identify link farms that they may not be aware of.
So for now it seems that Google is sticking with its policy that links do not carry any negative weight. It’s hard to see beyond this, without opening the door for lots more underhand processes. But after all this is Google we are talking about!
Update – 01 June 2012
We had a great response to this article with some of the big names in our industry getting involved, even Danny Sullivan shared his views on inbound. The subject really did split the SEO community, we even had slightly varied views here at Boom. On the 22nd May Google was forced to change its official line on this subject to the following.
Google works hard to prevent other webmasters from being able to harm your ranking or have your site removed from our index. If you’re concerned about another site linking to yours, we suggest contacting the webmaster of the site in question. Google aggregates and organizes information published on the web; we don’t control the content of these pages. – Google 22/05/2012
So it seems that in fact ‘yes’ bad links can harm your site and what was also interesting was that in a recent You & A session at SMX with Danny Sullivan and Matt Cutts, Danny Sullivan asked Matt Cutts “Do we have positive ranking factors and negative ranking factors?” to Which Matt Cutt’s replied “Yes”.
It remains to be seen how Google will police this, however Matt Cutts did say that Google are talking about developing a tool for webmasters to disavow a link.
Intriguing, but I expect the “never say never” response is more to avoid being held to account for an inaccurate statement than a real indication of a shift towards links actively harming rankings. Of course, I may be wrong, but as the old argument goes – surely that would lead to competitor’s spamming your site like mad, ultimately leading to a poorer linking landscape than before?
I have always thought this. I mean why would you get penalised for bad links when it could be brought on by a competitor?? Bad links = 0 makes sense!
I agree with you both. Whilst penalising sites for buying links and participating in link exchanges is a good idea in theory, in reality it would be impossible to police and would open the door for a whole new wave of dodgy activity.
I call B.S. I have personally seen links tank a site. We are talking Private Blog links that drop a sites rankings anywhere from 50-100 spaces with not many. We are talking sites falling much farther than before the penalty.
Links might carry zero negative weight. But if you get caught they put a manual penalty on your site that puts it in a sandbox state with no recovery. So links + filter = negative SEO.
Riiight. I’ve got one website which has always been for experimenting – I tried a blog network, got the notice, and my site was penalised massively – from page 1 to nowhere in the space of a day. Ignoring all the good links pointing towards that page, a few ‘bad’ links really do have a negative effect.
Ok, so if Google has been threatening (and penalizing) folks to flush this out, how can the tell if they’ve paid for the links via a blog network or something like that, or if it was a legit negative SEO attack (that apparently is a thing). Would Google believe you if you just said, hey I didn’t do that?
Sense make, that does not.
Interesting article, but there is a difference in my mind between getting a bad link worth 0 juice and your website being marked as spam because you have lots of spammy/manipulative links. In the latter case they are not penalizing the link, they are penalizing the site.
This would be a disaster for the large amount of sites who have no ideas what their backlink profile looks like.
Link velocity, however, can. Or should I say, negative link velocity. Like if you were to have a lot of links from a network, and that network all gets deindexed. That’s a lot of negative link velocity.
Hi,
Nice to read but I got one question… who is going to check all the screenshot that webmasters send to google?
No way that google is going to check that manually!
I’m glad to see somebody from google re-affirm this. Matt Cutts has always said that it’s nearly impossible to negatively impact somebody’s website with bad links. Though he left the door open a crack. As did Pierre in his statement “never say never”. But I have a hard time imagining google allowing such an easy process (buying bad links) to negatively effect a site that might not belong to the person building the links.
Well i guess the only way to find out is to try it on your competitiors? I bet its pretty cheap to buy crappy links these days and spam away. Maybe its reverse seo from here on?
Dont think its the way Google want to go tho, so im sure they have a plan.
Randy – Not that the Boom team would ever condone such dodgy dealings, but let us know your findings if you do decide to, erm, experiment..
Wonder if he still can confirm it?
Thanks for your comment, Robert, you make a great point.
Since this post went live we’ve seen a few examples of negative SEO success stories hitting the news. Probably the best known is the Dan Thies case study: http://bit.ly/JkyUgS
If you read the comments on that post Dan describes how while his rankings dropped for “SEOBook” there were extenuating circumstances. Whether or not you believe this, it’s still a worrying trend.
So what can you do about this? Rand Fishkin believes that it’s all about where your site is at now: http://mz.cm/KvfFOx In this Whiteboard Friday he discusses some of the negative SEO issues and how concerned webmasters should be.
His feelings are that some sites are at higher risk of a negative SEO attack than others – and it’s all about your link profile. If you have: high levels of exact match anchor text, a majority of links from low quality sites and few brand signals, you might be vulnerable.
But you shouldn’t panic about an attack. If you think you’re “high risk”, chances are you’re more likely to be affected by Google’s Penguin update than negative SEO.
So what are we saying? You need to rethink your approach to SEO generally. You’ll be less vulnerable to attack and you’ll be future-proofing your SEO.
If you’re in a mess, take a deep breath and think through your strategies. There are a number of possibilities to help you – look out for a post from us on the subject soon. But if you really need advice right now, call us on 0845 474 0974.